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标题: 有听说DST腰椎盘修复的吗?

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发表于 2018-12-29 19:21 | 个人空间 | 显示全部楼层
    前段时间搜了好多国外论坛,查询关于dst的疗效。有效数据还是蛮少的,印象比较深的是有一个母亲发的关于他儿子做了fibrin sealant手术的帖子,写的很长,比较详细。他儿子接受fibrin sealant注射治疗后产生了严重的并发症,连续剧烈的疼痛,最后不得不做了融合手术。
    DST技术就是所谓的discseel本质就是fibrin sealant,那篇帖子是两三年前写的了,他们当时就是在美国texas的tyler做的治疗,那里是DST技术研发者Dr.Pauza的所在地,不过他们帖子里的主治医生名字不是这个Dr pauza,所以我也不敢肯定是不是在同一家医院做的。
    所以还是比较纠结,担心疗效到底如何,会不会有副作用和并发症。希望楼主能够及时更新治疗情况。


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 楼主| 发表于 2018-12-29 20:29 | 个人空间 | 显示全部楼层
jarjar_van 发表于 2018-12-29 19:21
前段时间搜了好多国外论坛,查询关于dst的疗效。...

你说的这些我不清楚,但是大阪国际腰椎医院中文网站里有一段问答,意思是药物不是刺激性或者炎症性的,即使碰到神经也不会引起问题。但有一种情况下会引起疼痛,就是修复后椎间盘高度变高,缩短了的韧带被拉伸而引起疼痛,会持续两周。
建议有顾虑的突友再等等,等几年技术基本可以看出是否成熟,另外费用应该也会降低一点吧,现在实在太贵了。


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发表于 2018-12-29 22:03 | 个人空间 | 显示全部楼层
jarjar_van 发表于 2018-12-29 19:21
前段时间搜了好多国外论坛,查询关于dst的疗效。
...

我也看到过哪个母亲写的关于儿子,太吓人。哪个Dr pauza 说的挺好,给患者他的手机号,24小时开机,术后有问题找他,等出了问题,感觉他也没多大办法。


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发表于 2018-12-29 22:07 | 个人空间 | 显示全部楼层
以下是美国Dr Kevin Pauza 诊所给我的回信,对我提出的疑问做了解答
Thank you for for inquiring about our Discseel Procedure.  I have provided answers to your questions.  Feel free to reply to this email or if you'd like we can set up a time to talk.


1.   So far, how many patients have received discseel treatment, how about the effect and whether there are any side effects such as discitis?

Answer: We’ve treated thousands of discs... difficult to count, but in the last few years alone close to a thousand patients have had the treatment. Dr Pauza has been using fibrin in the discs for well over ten years. No patient ever treated by Dr. Pauza has ever had discitis nor any cross-contamination whatsoever using the non-autologous Fibrin.

2.   I read a report saying that ”The proportions of successful patients that received BIOSTAT BIOLOGX Fibrin Sealant or saline injection were not statistically significantly different when analyzed at the 26-week primary endpoint”, I’m very confused about that.
“businesswire.com/news/home/20130718005215/en/Spinal-Restoration-Announces-Disappointing-Phase-III-Study”

Answer: This was a study done years ago when the protocol was totally different than what Dr. Pauza does today. Back then the study was flawed because it limited the procedure to only treating one or two discs and now we know on average patients have at least three torn discs. Therefore, if patients were only having one or two levels treated back then, they likely didn’t have all discs addressed that needed addressing.  Also the protocol was flawed in the study because the investigation was done having the physicians inject the fibrin into the center of the disc rather than the outside portion of the disc where the tears reside. If you think about it, the tears reside in the anulus fibrosis which is the outer portion of the disc, so it makes sense to inject the fibrin exactly where the tears reside. So having said that, that is why the study many years ago did not have the outcomes we have today. Today in the lumbar disc, outcomes hover a little over 70% and cervical outcomes hover around 90%.
Also, we are currently doing a study looking at whether injecting PRP or bone marrow stem cells into the disc have value after having sealed the disc with fibrin. No on knows the answer to this to date because nobody has ever studied it.

3.   When the fibrin sealant was injected into the degenerated lumbar disc, will the disc swell and cause compression of the dural sac, thus causing low back pain in the patient? From the results of MRI, my lumbar discs are swollen and has touched the dural sac.

Answer: just like when you blow up a somewhat flat tire, the tire goes up, not out. The same holds true with injecting the disc with fibrin. Dr Pauza adds it slowly and we have never had a patient made worse, not ever. If there’s concern that you have a disc bulge too large, Dr Pauza would recommend a patient have a discectomy first. But once a patient has a discectomy (where they remove a portion of the disc), the disc never regrows so we encourage patients to come see us after they’ve had a discectomy so we can help instigate regrowth of the tissue on the compromised disc.

4.   Do you have any comparison of MRI images of patients before and after the discseel treatment?

Answer: 95% of our patients live from afar so it’s too difficult to have them get MRIs following the procedure so we do not have a follow up MRI but at the same time recognize that images do not always correlate with pain. The New England Journal of medicine July 1994 confirmed that MRI rarely correlated with symptoms . At that time most doctors didn’t understand why, and Dr Pauza realiZed it was because it was related to annular tears.
We look at MRI’s simply to rule out any major stenosis that may require surgery.
It’s important to recognize no procedure can promise to make you better, but we have had promising outcomes and helped many patients find relief.



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发表于 2018-12-29 23:02 | 个人空间 | 显示全部楼层
sjwcommy 发表于 2018-12-29 22:07
以下是美国Dr Kevin Pauza 诊所给我...

他们有没有说做完discseel的复发率呢?看他们的宣传视频真的是说的天花乱坠啊~~一个个康复的活蹦乱跳的……


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NDEE 发表于 2018-12-29 22:03
我也看到过哪个母亲写的关于儿子,太吓人。哪个Dr...

那个母亲的贴子里的医生名字好像不是pauza,是另外一个人,所以我不确定是不是和pauza同一家医院机构做的。不过我看了一些病人给pauza的治疗评价,有些说好也有些说不好的,所以真的不好说……


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SissiMoe 发表于 2018-12-29 23:24
哈哈,我现在也是活蹦乱跳的,奈何完全不能坐
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你肯定好的,你是日本做的。吉人自有天祥。祝福。


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NDEE 发表于 2018-12-29 23:40
你肯定好的,你是日本做的。吉人自有天祥。祝福。...

日本那家医院就是美国这个Dr pauza授权的,完全是美国的技术……


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jarjar_van 发表于 2018-12-30 06:51
日本那家医院就是美国这个Dr pauza授权的,
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美国人做事粗糙,而且临床操作经验估计没日本人多,感觉日本操作好,做的人多,经验足。



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大简 发表于 2018-12-30 13:03
机器翻译的。你问了我们的《破坏我的命令》 我已经...

你这翻译的还不如不翻译呢,用百度翻译可能会好点吧


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sjwcommy 发表于 2018-12-30 15:32
你这翻译的还不如不翻译呢,用百度翻译可能会好点吧...

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sjwcommy 发表于 2018-12-30 15:32
你这翻译的还不如不翻译呢,用百度翻译可能会好点吧...

我英语早退给老师了,只能借助软件看看


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找到了篇14年的关于fibrin sealant治疗腰椎间盘的论文,研究人员对15个病人接受fibrin sealant治疗后进行了长达两年的追踪,文章写的很详细,包括治疗后产生的副作用和恶化症状。其中一位研究人员就是Dr pauza。看完后对这种DST技术有了进一步的认识,就是用来治老化退化的椎间盘,来改善盘源性腰痛的……对腰突真的没什么太大用处……



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